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		<title>Comment on medical testing on animals. by Meg</title>
		<link>http://wobblewax.com/2011/08/24/medical-testing-on-animals/#comment-2062</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 23:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in medical research, though not with animals.  My husband does.  

All research involving animals in Australia (and that includes non-obtrusive observation in their natural habitat, right through to genetic manipulation and breeding in captivity with death as end result) must be reviewed and approved prior to commencement by at least one Animal Ethics Committee (if the research is being carried out by people from multiple institutes, each institute’s AEC will want to review the research).  Each AEC must be comprised of at least one each of the following members: experts in medical research involving animals, veterinarians, animal rights advocates (such as someone from the RSPCA), and independent lay people (members of the public without links to the institute or to animal research or to animal welfare, e.g.: policemen, teachers, clergy).  

The overriding question asked by all AECs: is the animal necessary in this research, can this research be done in any other way (i.e.: can this be avoided by using “computer modelling, tissue culture stocks, simulation technology and other alternatives”).  The next question they ask: What is the bare minimum number of animals required for this research, can it be done effectively with fewer animals.  As someone who has worked in medical research my whole career, and who has had much to do with research governance, these committees take their role very seriously, and they are very strict.  There is legislation in Australia that means those who do animal research without the oversight of an AEC, or those not following the directions of an AEC can be prosecuted.

Animal testing of new drugs and new techniques is disgusting.  It’s evil and everyone should be disgusted, and everyone should continue to question its need, and to monitor it - that’s what stops rogue “scientists” who don’t care.  But please don’t be naive.  Animal testing is a disgusting yet necessary evil.  As a nurse you know that every single drug you’ve ever given or seen given to a patient, and every single technique you’ve ever used or seen used on a patient has been tested on animals.  Drugs these days don’t get discovered growing on mouldy oranges, they’re thought up, designed and derived from their basic molecules in labs. The only way we can bring them to production is to clinically test them on animals first, then people.   The initial testing can be done in vivo using cell lines, and there is certainly computer modelling involved, but the FDA and TGA won’t approve drugs without animal testing.      

If people really want to effect change, get involved!  I know the thought of reading about what’s done to the animals in great detail would scare the pants off most folk, but change is best effected from within a system.  Get involved and fight the good fight.  Keep asking the questions (of yourself and of others), and keep abreast of what’s happening, but be mindful that if you heap too much guilt on the medical researchers doing their job you’ll just scare off the “good” ones, and leave the crappy amoral ones who don’t give a shit, who will just obfuscate their intentions and not follow the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in medical research, though not with animals.  My husband does.  </p>
<p>All research involving animals in Australia (and that includes non-obtrusive observation in their natural habitat, right through to genetic manipulation and breeding in captivity with death as end result) must be reviewed and approved prior to commencement by at least one Animal Ethics Committee (if the research is being carried out by people from multiple institutes, each institute’s AEC will want to review the research).  Each AEC must be comprised of at least one each of the following members: experts in medical research involving animals, veterinarians, animal rights advocates (such as someone from the RSPCA), and independent lay people (members of the public without links to the institute or to animal research or to animal welfare, e.g.: policemen, teachers, clergy).  </p>
<p>The overriding question asked by all AECs: is the animal necessary in this research, can this research be done in any other way (i.e.: can this be avoided by using “computer modelling, tissue culture stocks, simulation technology and other alternatives”).  The next question they ask: What is the bare minimum number of animals required for this research, can it be done effectively with fewer animals.  As someone who has worked in medical research my whole career, and who has had much to do with research governance, these committees take their role very seriously, and they are very strict.  There is legislation in Australia that means those who do animal research without the oversight of an AEC, or those not following the directions of an AEC can be prosecuted.</p>
<p>Animal testing of new drugs and new techniques is disgusting.  It’s evil and everyone should be disgusted, and everyone should continue to question its need, and to monitor it &#8211; that’s what stops rogue “scientists” who don’t care.  But please don’t be naive.  Animal testing is a disgusting yet necessary evil.  As a nurse you know that every single drug you’ve ever given or seen given to a patient, and every single technique you’ve ever used or seen used on a patient has been tested on animals.  Drugs these days don’t get discovered growing on mouldy oranges, they’re thought up, designed and derived from their basic molecules in labs. The only way we can bring them to production is to clinically test them on animals first, then people.   The initial testing can be done in vivo using cell lines, and there is certainly computer modelling involved, but the FDA and TGA won’t approve drugs without animal testing.      </p>
<p>If people really want to effect change, get involved!  I know the thought of reading about what’s done to the animals in great detail would scare the pants off most folk, but change is best effected from within a system.  Get involved and fight the good fight.  Keep asking the questions (of yourself and of others), and keep abreast of what’s happening, but be mindful that if you heap too much guilt on the medical researchers doing their job you’ll just scare off the “good” ones, and leave the crappy amoral ones who don’t give a shit, who will just obfuscate their intentions and not follow the rules.</p>
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		<title>Comment on wild death. by Meg</title>
		<link>http://wobblewax.com/2011/08/30/wild-death/#comment-2061</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 05:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I typed out a long post about one of my memories of growing up on a farm, but I&#039;ve decided against posting it. What&#039;s the old adage..?  There are two things where you don&#039;t want to know how 
they&#039;re made: laws and sausages.

So instead I will just say: death is a part of life.  Few know that better than farmers and HCWs.  Learning about death early, and learning to respect the dying are two things I really appreciate learning about growing up on a property. Often that&#039;s all you can do, show some respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I typed out a long post about one of my memories of growing up on a farm, but I&#8217;ve decided against posting it. What&#8217;s the old adage..?  There are two things where you don&#8217;t want to know how<br />
they&#8217;re made: laws and sausages.</p>
<p>So instead I will just say: death is a part of life.  Few know that better than farmers and HCWs.  Learning about death early, and learning to respect the dying are two things I really appreciate learning about growing up on a property. Often that&#8217;s all you can do, show some respect.</p>
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		<title>Comment on in a roundabout way. by Michelle</title>
		<link>http://wobblewax.com/2011/09/06/in-a-roundabout-way/#comment-2021</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 12:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm I am sure someone sooner or later will say something like this: but Canberra is full of roundabouts! You guys are famous for the things! Good luck anyway getting over your roundabout fears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm I am sure someone sooner or later will say something like this: but Canberra is full of roundabouts! You guys are famous for the things! Good luck anyway getting over your roundabout fears.</p>
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		<title>Comment on morning meditation. by Andrew</title>
		<link>http://wobblewax.com/2011/09/03/morning-meditation/#comment-2020</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 02:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ian,
Sounds like you need some Comment Crack.
I&#039;m sorry that this space doesn&#039;t feel as busy (important) as the other one (it is), but this place seems much more peaceful. I miss ImpactED Nurse too. I would check in 1st thing every morning to see what you&#039;d got up to. I have laughed and cried and been angry, along with you since almost the beginning. Sometimes it feels like we&#039;re old friends who haven&#039;t met yet. I have also quietly followed you to your new destination and continue to enjoy your selfless honesty. Thank you for ALL your hard work.
Sincerely,

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ian,<br />
Sounds like you need some Comment Crack.<br />
I&#8217;m sorry that this space doesn&#8217;t feel as busy (important) as the other one (it is), but this place seems much more peaceful. I miss ImpactED Nurse too. I would check in 1st thing every morning to see what you&#8217;d got up to. I have laughed and cried and been angry, along with you since almost the beginning. Sometimes it feels like we&#8217;re old friends who haven&#8217;t met yet. I have also quietly followed you to your new destination and continue to enjoy your selfless honesty. Thank you for ALL your hard work.<br />
Sincerely,</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>Comment on morning meditation. by Angie</title>
		<link>http://wobblewax.com/2011/09/03/morning-meditation/#comment-2019</link>
		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 00:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe writing for impacted nurse was easier, not just because of the boost to ego of so many of us sharing, but also because it is easier to write about what we do professionally than who we are personally. Writing from your nurse&#039; perspective you were assured of the audience&#039;s understanding and interest, that is our shared experience and knowledge. Now you&#039;re in uncharted territory and writing about self rather than profession. Maybe there&#039;s also less feedback because readers feel less justified in passing comment on what is personal compared with the professional (which we all have strong opinions on!). Maybe I&#039;m way off track or over analysing! I sill like to pop in and see what you&#039;re up to :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe writing for impacted nurse was easier, not just because of the boost to ego of so many of us sharing, but also because it is easier to write about what we do professionally than who we are personally. Writing from your nurse&#8217; perspective you were assured of the audience&#8217;s understanding and interest, that is our shared experience and knowledge. Now you&#8217;re in uncharted territory and writing about self rather than profession. Maybe there&#8217;s also less feedback because readers feel less justified in passing comment on what is personal compared with the professional (which we all have strong opinions on!). Maybe I&#8217;m way off track or over analysing! I sill like to pop in and see what you&#8217;re up to <img src='http://wobblewax.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on life less impacted. by Medstudent</title>
		<link>http://wobblewax.com/2011/08/13/life-less-impacted/#comment-2015</link>
		<dc:creator>Medstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 01:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may have escaped the notice of the TCH administration that Impactednurse was a website of national significance.

Fortunately, it did not escape the notice of the National Library of Australia.

Ian&#039;s blog has been duly recorded for posterity under the PANDORA (Preserving and Accessing Networked Documentary Resources of Australia) initiative. 

Archives thereof can be accessed at the following link:

http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/85443/20100704-0055/www.impactednurse.com/index.html

Please tell you colleagues!

By the way Ian, thank you again for your sterling efforts on that site - several medical students at TCH appreciated the blog and the insights contained therein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may have escaped the notice of the TCH administration that Impactednurse was a website of national significance.</p>
<p>Fortunately, it did not escape the notice of the National Library of Australia.</p>
<p>Ian&#8217;s blog has been duly recorded for posterity under the PANDORA (Preserving and Accessing Networked Documentary Resources of Australia) initiative. </p>
<p>Archives thereof can be accessed at the following link:</p>
<p><a href="http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/85443/20100704-0055/www.impactednurse.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/85443/20100704-0055/www.impactednurse.com/index.html</a></p>
<p>Please tell you colleagues!</p>
<p>By the way Ian, thank you again for your sterling efforts on that site &#8211; several medical students at TCH appreciated the blog and the insights contained therein.</p>
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		<title>Comment on life less impacted. by Karen</title>
		<link>http://wobblewax.com/2011/08/13/life-less-impacted/#comment-2010</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 09:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realised a few days ago I hadnt been getting updates from ImpactED.  I had a blonde moment and for the life of me it has taken 2 days to remember the name.  Finally I remember and it&#039;s gone.  Much saddness.  Thanks for all the info and smiles.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realised a few days ago I hadnt been getting updates from ImpactED.  I had a blonde moment and for the life of me it has taken 2 days to remember the name.  Finally I remember and it&#8217;s gone.  Much saddness.  Thanks for all the info and smiles.  <img src='http://wobblewax.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on wild death. by Angie</title>
		<link>http://wobblewax.com/2011/08/30/wild-death/#comment-2007</link>
		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 05:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How helpless we feel when we don&#039;t have access to the tool kit we usually reach for to provide comfort to the dying, whether those tools be medications, language or touch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How helpless we feel when we don&#8217;t have access to the tool kit we usually reach for to provide comfort to the dying, whether those tools be medications, language or touch</p>
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		<title>Comment on wild death. by rlbates</title>
		<link>http://wobblewax.com/2011/08/30/wild-death/#comment-2006</link>
		<dc:creator>rlbates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very definitely something.  Bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very definitely something.  Bless you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on wild death. by canoehead</title>
		<link>http://wobblewax.com/2011/08/30/wild-death/#comment-2005</link>
		<dc:creator>canoehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was once on call for work and drove in past a cat lying in the road, in the rain. On my way back home, about 30 min later, she lifted her head as I went by. Of course I had to turn around. Brought her home and laid her on my bed while we waited for a vet office to open. Her back legs were paralyzed, she was cold as ice, but she would pull herself out from under whenever I tried to cover her for warmth. As I spoke to her gently, she pulled herself towards me and licked my hand. What a sweetie. About 6am I left to put notices in the mailboxes close to where I found her, and when I came back an hour later she had died. I feel so lucky, to have met her, and to have been able to get her out of the road, and the rain, for her last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was once on call for work and drove in past a cat lying in the road, in the rain. On my way back home, about 30 min later, she lifted her head as I went by. Of course I had to turn around. Brought her home and laid her on my bed while we waited for a vet office to open. Her back legs were paralyzed, she was cold as ice, but she would pull herself out from under whenever I tried to cover her for warmth. As I spoke to her gently, she pulled herself towards me and licked my hand. What a sweetie. About 6am I left to put notices in the mailboxes close to where I found her, and when I came back an hour later she had died. I feel so lucky, to have met her, and to have been able to get her out of the road, and the rain, for her last night.</p>
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